The “Greed-line” is a Sweet Ride! (Friday Funnies)

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What makes more sense than a modern, 19th century transit technology known as a “train”? It only costs $2.6 billion! (Click for full view).

Yessirree Bob. Step right up to the amazing, the glorious, the incredible GREED-Line Train connecting bustling downtown Clearwater to the St. Petersburg arts district.  Take the 24 mile, $2.6 billion journey along the cushy rail bed built entirely on the tax dollars of poor and middle class plebs.  A luxurious bed of tax dollars makes for the smoothest of rides – a 300% annual increase in tax dollars! Worry not, low ridership means you will have a private train car as you ride the near empty train from your mighty St. Pete Condo tower for a night of dining in Clearwater and who knows what else? Watch old-fashioned “automobiles” stop suddenly as they wait in line at the rail crossing while your private train carriage whizzes by on a breathtaking 60 minute journey between the two major travel destinations – breakneck speeds for sure!   Yes, it’s the GREED-Line, enriching the cronies, the rich and the well connected with sales tax dollars squeezed from – er volunteered by–  the working class to ensure Pinellas “moves forward” in the most progressive of ways. Thanks Politicians and Corporatists alike for looking out for “the common good” (tee hee)!

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See the amazing profit margins of the land developers at the 24 station sites bought at government-inflated prices along the way. Hey, look out the window. WAS THAT A FAT CAT!? Don’t worry, those low income “hold outs” had their land taken by  eminent domain – we won’t let those luddites interfere with our grand rail vision just because they want a so-called “fair” price.  Oh yes, the Greed-line will always be well oiled because we can just take money from the bus system to pay for it!  Take in the amazing increased building and population density as the cronies grow fat on “transit-oriented development” (TOD)! Who says you can’t kiss a TOD and make a prince rich? The Greed-line – soon to be subsidized for decades by the willing taxpayers and labor-force of Pinellas and all those snow-bird money machines. Watch the snowbirds flock to the county with the highest sales tax in the state ; 8% for the locals too! Now that’s sweet! Surely everyone and the snowbirds will appreciate the train that connects St. Pete to Clearwater but bypasses that pesky, noisy Tampa Airport region.

greedline pinellas poster3_largeCome one, come all and ride the Greed-line – unless you are one of those people who wants Pinellas to be stuck in the past. Ick! Move to the FUTURE with the brand new 19th century transportation modality: the choo-choo train!  How in the world could 58% of Hillsborough voters have rejected this in 2010? ONWARD – to the FUTURE! Ride the GREED-Line!


33 Replies:

  1. curtis a holmes

    Correction: It’s actually NOT a train it’s a streetcar…technology right out of the 1880s.

  2. Fred

    The stops are destined to become vacancy zones like Seattle, Washington. They will have substantially increased crime rates, and the neighborhoods will deteriorate. You can also ride the train with all the alcoholics, felons, child molesters, and catch all kinds of communicable diseases like the current form of incurable tuberculosis, and pestilence such as lice from the nice people who ride with you. When you get to the end of your ride, you will be stranded with no transportation to your real destination, unless you wait for the first of 3 busses you have to ride on to get there. You will also become a statistic, because each time you transfer, it will be considered a "trip" by the beancounters for the county. This is you tax dollars at work.

    1. Sun Beam Times Post author

      Agreed Fred that there will be many folks riding the train BUT I believe most people riding public transportation are clean, hard working, good people who merely have little choice in the society the greedy have built. A society that makes cheap gas and cars impossible as their regulations and extreme agendas force them into density corridors and public transit.

  3. Westech

    If the local politicians were serious about a practical, functioning, intelligent commuter rail system there would be a concerted effort that would interconnect Pinellas, Hillsborough and Pasco counties. This rail would parallel the Veterans/Suncoast Parkway, I4/I75, with a large Park/Ride area to transport central and south Pinellas residents via the Howard Franklin pathway.
    This would mean cooperation between the 3 counties, the putting aside of egos, the surrendering of power for the good of the citizens and the understanding that your political throne wouldn’t be as tall and golden as it is now.
    There will be icicles clinging to the hinges to the Gates from Hell when that occurs because each county’s public transportation authority especially PSTA and HART are self-important fiefdoms. Hillsborough taxpayers saw through HART the last time the issue appeared on the ballot. These voter wisely understood the politicians power and tax grab & behaved accordingly. This is why Hillsborough is watching to see if Pinellas voters are smart enough to see through the Greenlight hustle.
    Someday the three counties will have public servants smart enough to act with a common focus to put in place an intelligent public transportation system that meets the needs of the user.
    I don’t foresee it in my lifetime.

    1. Ron Thompson

      Actually, Westec, there was a great effort to empower TBARTA to become a regional transpotation entity with both authority & budget. That move was opposed by many that that now oppose GL because …(wait for it) … there is no central suthority. TBARTA acts as a cooperative council, and is committed to the rail link over the howard franklin, to the airport, connecting to a hillsborough rail network and eventualky going to orlando to connect with theirs. This will all happen either in advance, in a planned way, with budgeted money, or haphazared and rushed, paying top dollar and penalties after the finite hydrocarbon supply causes car and aviation fuel prices to skyrocket.

      1. Sun Beam Times Post author

        Thare are no “finite” hydrocarbon supplies” that is substantially impacting gas prices. Inflation of these prices is almost soley due to bad monetary policy by the Fed. The “Printing of the money”

        1. Ron Thompson

          I am glad to see you go on record that you do not consider gasoline and aviation fuel to be a finite resource which is due to be impacted by natural scarcity. No wonder you would consider public transit fundamentally irrational. If one thinks a corporation can just go to some faucet, for years, decades, or centuries to comes, and out will pour fossil fuels, macro planning for transit is not required Do you think cars cause air pollution?

          1. Sun Beam Times Post author

            The records shows I said: “Thare are no “finite” hydrocarbon supplies” that is substantially impacting gas prices” . bad grammatically but limited in scope.

  4. Ron Thompson

    One can repeat this false narrative, but that won’t make it true. How can money appear from thin air? It can and does. Its called tax policy and its why companies are given tax deferrments to build factories and warehouses that create jobs. With GL, the wealthy recieve a property tax reduction nearly equiv to their sales tax increase. In any case, for the weslthiest typical pinellas resident, the swap is plus or minus around $100/yr ($8/month). Whoopie, and they get lighter traffic and no tolls (like Go Scott’s plan). Middle income recieve a small prop tax reduction, but can use transit to replace car rides. Fuel, repairs, using wifi, no tolls, all benefit them for their smaller increase. The poorest may give up a car or, if too poor to own a car, now get a job outside their neighborhood. This is NO TAX to the poor, it is a BIG Increase in opprotunity and income. A chance to go to SPC. And they spend less, mostly groc & med, all non taxable. Tourists will pay slightly more sales tax, but many dont want a rental car. Many dont come to pinellas because they have no way to get around without driving. And the beach hotels are foced to have hundreds of unsightly parking spots. So the rental car companies, the used car lots, BP & EXXON, ins cos and car repair shops in the poor neighborhoods will all suffer. Makes you wonder who is paying money so NTFT can spend their time on web sites, protests, and lawn signs. Not the poor that need cheap, reliable transportation, that’s for sure.

    1. Sun Beam Times Post author

      When you start taxing tens of thousands of people who have not been paying property taxes with an extra 14% in sales tax, it is a NEW TAX TO THE POOR!

      1. Ron Thompson

        In that sense, McDonalds “taxes” you $5 at lunchtime, but they give you food. The richest in Pinellas will recieve essentially a wash of pure tax money. Middle income will pay more “tax”, but pay less on currently necessary ecpenses. The poor, who primarily purchase non-taxable food and medical, will see little sales tax impact, and save TREMENDOUSLY on current necessary ecpenses and lost opprotunity cost. For some, if I’m forced give $100 to a private prison corp, a voucher school, or a toll road that’s no problem (even when their CEOs take millions and we find the companies are not delivering their contracted service). But if they must pay $50 to a govt agency as a “tax” delivering the same service, with a director making a pittance of that amout, its “government tyranny” and “robbing the poor”. A businessman knows that the elimination of an expense is a revenue.

          1. Ron Thompson

            It is disingenuous to use the diminutive “Ronnie”, to flatter yourself with false authorty. Intelligent readers see through that and the others don’t need it.

            Your you tube had a copyright block.

            You do not address the fact that eliminating an expense is the same as giving someone more money. Now if federal taxes are cut, Woo-Hoo, that COUNTS! but if the need for a third, second or even first car is eliminated, that somehow doesn’t count.

            Again, intelligent people get it. Getting rid of a car is a huge tax cut. Pinellas county has been enslaving our citizens by legislating a middle class suburban environment, where people are expected to own two or three cars and have the ability to drive them.

            Don’t be blind, or immobile, or poor, or young, or old. And if you are, make those people fighting transit chauffeur you around.

      2. Ron Thompson

        Groceries, medical, thrift stores, timed school purchases are all tax free. The “Poor” will be least affected if the small 1% raise was even 2%, 3%, or 5%. This fact doesn’t fit the NTFT narrative, only statistical data and reality. Consequently, it will be denied on THIS site.

        1. Sun Beam Times Post author

          I guess in your world view, the poor buy nothing more than groceries and basics of life. in your world view the poor should stay that way. I believe that we should lower, not raise, taxes on poor so they can afford more comfort and invest in things that improve thier own lives so they can become “used to be poor” I guess you think they should just stay poor and live on the public transit system…where they belong.

    2. Janie

      This is a ridiculous statement > “Many don’t come to pinellas because they have no way to get around without driving.” That’s just a stupid thing to say period, maybe they don’t come to Pinellas because they CAN’T DRIVE regardless since the roads are never fully functional because of all the NEW improvements that never get done but always seem to have plenty of money to throw at them.
      And as far as people paying for NTFT to be able to protest and the like, that is also an ignorant comment. I am an average citizen and I use my OWN time to protest this corruption where I live. Pinellas as it is right now is a huge construction site everywhere you look, not to mention the overabundance of big brother cameras ‘for safety’ (another lie), and the new highway signs to let you know how long it will take to get to your destination. SO WHO’S PAYING FOR ALL THAT? The people had no decision in any of that did we?
      And the noise of construction is constant (and at times with no regard to codes), houses are being shaken, houses are being taken (the precious eminent domain B.S.), trees are being wiped out so the modified stick trees can replace them, flood lights are glaring wherever they decide to put them with no regard to those who actually try to live here and pay taxes. People are told that a project will take 12 months and it ends up taking 3 years or more and on and on. And these so called poor you speak of may not be so poor if they weren’t being ripped off constantly with fees, with taxes, with crap they don’t even want but still have to pay for. If you care so much for the poor then why not show them the respect they deserve along with everyone else by telling the whole truth on this Green-Gouge Pinellas? And why did they have to pay someone $170,000 to come ‘sell’ this crap if it’s so great? Seems like the ‘poor’ could get quite a few reliable vehicles with such a waste of money.
      And the fact that Pinellas County ‘so-called’ officials are not, and were not, even phased by the FACT that Mr. Miller was NOT telling the whole truth regarding Green-Gouge Pinellas (see Channel 10’s report by Mike Deeson) speaks volumes on how ‘business’ is done in general and what ‘facts’ the public actually gets.

      1. Ron Thompson

        I’m having trouble following your whole post. The ‘many’ refer to European and Asian tourists that have an expectation of good transit. The salary given the PSTA directof is to manage a tremendously large and complex business operation. Neither you nor i are qualified for that job. His angry critics ignore the fact he is not a “salesman”. BTW, privatize PSTA and that puny executive salary will be TEN TIMES as large (with bonus), if not twenty. US-19, prior to any overpasses, had 3 of the 10 most dangerous intersections in the entire USA for several years. We are still a top city for killing pedestrians. This has been going on for 25 years.

    3. Free2Speak

      Most people will not ride light rail if they have a car and driving would be easier and faster.

      Who will commute on light rail? Only people who live less than 2 blocks from a stop and work at some place right on the rail line. Certainly no anyone who has other stops to make on the way to/from work. Like parents who have to drop off kids at daycare and school. If you ride the train, you cannot run errands on the way home. You also cannot do major weekly grocery shopping for your family by riding the train.

      The only time a lot of people would ride the train is to go a prime destination where parking is difficult (like a big shopping and entertainment center, a concert, a sporting event, the beach on the weekend, the airport, etc.), OR if they wanted to be able to drink without worrying about driving.

      For most trips, a train is much less comfortable and convenient than driving yourself.

      1. Ron Thompson

        “Most people will not ride light rail…” “Only people who…” “”The only time a lot of people…”

        One lof the basic points of divergence between those that support the expansion of transit as a necessity, and those that consider it a boondoggle, payola, or theft often comes down to the definition of “people”. Some use “people” to mean themselves, and those that have a similar income, live in similar neighborhoods, who already own or have access to similar transportation options. You know, “people”. Those that support GreenLight consider the unique needs of the disabled, the young, the old, the working poor, the unemployed,, those striving to improve their lot, those not permitted to drive, and those that silently left town draining our county of their skills and income potential because of our onerous transportation costs. … You know, “people”. Once you figure out that our county has a million different stories, and each person could pay taxes to limit our own personal burden, it starts to make sense that “people” have access to regular, reliable, convenient transportation.

        1. Sun Beam Times Post author

          Ron, as always your utopian visions are noin accordance with the facts of what really happens. The REAL greedy are the ones that have3 these projects built….to benefit them.

          You continue to equate those who support big government utopian projects as enlightened and kind hearted. Sadly, fooled and betrayed is abbetter description.

          The truly kind and caring are working to stop thbis boondoggle and save society.

          1. Ron Thompson

            When I talk about “people”, it is all people. It is not just people in my situation economics, geography, employment, family, health, and on and on. I speak of individal cases of how individual problems need solving. And how those solutions will result in economic growth, jobs, and an increased tax base. That is not some crazy utopia, that is good thinking, good planning, and good business.

          2. Sun Beam Times Post author

            Ron, you will never chanvge your mind because your arrogance makes you believe you can build a better future by planning it and forcing others to bend to it. you will never be persuaded by facts like failures in Charlotte, Portland and elsewhere. that is how extreme liberals are….deluded.

  5. Norm Roche


    Tourism in Pinellas countinues to enjoy steady growth. In fact, breaking records such that we now qualify to add a 6th cent bed tax if desired. And all this without a fixed rail system.

    The Tampa Bay Metro area ranks #1 in the state in economic growth, #16 in the nation for economic growth. And all this without a fixed rail system.

    The November ballot intiative, a 14+% increase in sales tax, will not and cannot “eliminate” the current PSTA property tax. This can only be formally and legally accomplished by an act of the State Legislature. No such action in currently in the works or planned to be.

    48% of the funding for this rail (11% state & 37% federal) is not committed to nor guaranteed. Furthermore, public record will show that our State Legislators refused to commit to even fighting for the 11%.

    Pinellas County is roughly 275 square miles of 100% urban sprawl, thus requiring full flexibility in our day-to-day travel.

    Tourist prefer rentals cars, as they provide freedom and flexibility to travel around Pinellas at thier leisure, and allows them the opportunity to visit the many wonderful city’s and amenities we offer.

    Local business will suffer as $100-million more dollars will be sapped out of our local economy. Plus, folks may be inclined to travel a few miles north into Pasco or east into Hillsborough to make large purchases…in an effort to save 14+% in taxes.

    The world will not hate us, nor will the world end if we don’t have a rail. In fact, they may envy us for having the sense to put the cart back behind the horse and do this right.

    1. Janie

      Bravo Mr. Roche!!! You’re one ‘official’ who thinks on his own and for the people! Thank you.

    2. Ron Thompson

      Commissioner Roche, I respect your service to our community, but much of what you say is misleading or pure speculation.

      Tourism is increasing as part of the world economy, and cannot be tied to ou lack of transit. With good transit, European and Asian visitors may well double their visits, you cannot say. But if you are happy, thats enough for your supporters. However, eliminating rental cars will diminish the blight of parking spaces at beachfront hotels. After a period of acclimation, a logical readjustment down to zoning codes can be implemented. Who doesn’t want more tourists at our beaches without more cars? Thats crazy!

      PSTA has repeatedly asked the legislature to pass a bill tieing the greenlight vote to a hard repeal of the property tax. The gop legislature has not passed this eventuality, yet Greenlight is being blamed. Again, greenlight foes oppose greenlight ideas, then blame greenlight that their ideas are not in place. I take the commision and plan at its word, and expect tallahassee to eventually give greenlight their requested tax rollback law.

      If our county is built out, then as costs go up we must pay more property taxes or give up services. Yet on the beaches, everyday land speculators and developers tear down low density parcels and replace them with high density high value tax generating construction. Why doesn’t anyone do that on East Bay Rd or in Gateway? Because backward thinkers see what is, that we are “built out” and see an additional lane on us19 as the solution. Forward thinkers will add a half dozen transportation hub destinations, each ready for construction of high density multifamily towers. The young, snowbirds, working poor, students, could all enjoy this arrangement. But most of all Mr Commissioner, it will generate jobs, economic growth, and proprty taxes where there is nothing today. THAT is forward looking.

  6. Ron Thompson

    Another error; 58% of Hillsborough voters did not reject “this plan”. This fact is well known, and repeating this misleading statement does not make it true.

    Hillsborough transit thought a plan would be a slam dunk And proceeded to a ballot initiative without adequate study, plan, commitment, and public information. They thought good feelings, their good history, and general commitments would be enough to get the vote passed. It wasnt.

    Pinellas learned from that. People will not vote for a tax unless the details are spelled out and they make sense. Hillsborough tranisit understands this as well, as they begin to launch a multi year transit study in the model of Green Light.

    Pinellas Green Light is entirely different from the Hillsborough situation, because pinellas listened to their customers. The study started with hundreds of small meetings with thousands of citizens. It went through dozens of public reviews with multiple times going back and repeating a step when the results did not pass citizen consensus.

    Only when tens of thousands of pinellas residents had participated, and plans were thoroughly vetted was it submitted to each various board for approval to go on the ballot.

    It is beyond a deception to say “Hillsborough voters turned this down in 2010”. Its a catchy slogan, its just not the truth.

    1. Sun Beam Times Post author

      58% voted “no” in Hillsborough. Your interpretation of why they did so is spin. it is also a talking point of the Yes for Greenlight campaign. People don’t like massive tax hikes to fund needless trains. Doesn’t matter how you draw it on a map. Our own poll showed 60% of Pinellas voters oppose it.

  7. Westech

    Greenlight Pinellas has several proposals working toward its defeat.
    First they floated the idea the funding was a tax swap. That failed. Then it was revealed that the millage assessment wouldn’t be vacated if the 1% additional sales tax were implemented. Of course the repeal of a property tax in exchange for a sales tax increase is being blamed on the Republicans. (The truth is NO POLITICAL PARTY will repeal a tax.) So, if the legislation were to pass, there is no guarantee the millage assessment would stop when the tax increase takes effect. The politicians “promise” the the millage hit would stop. This, of course, will never happen. For just a moment let’s consider the hit on the poor, elderly, and others with less than a pile of money. Say the sales tax increase happens, now the less fortunate are double-pumped. We will have our citizens getting a sales tax spanking and the millage hit is still in place. Don’t tell me that won’t happen.
    Next we have the foolishness of a train between St. Petersburg and Clearwater. Zippy the Chimp can see through this idiotic idea. Morning/afternoon traffic flow is east/west and to a much lesser extent, north/south. Now I have no doubt an extensive, expensive survey has shown that, if build, a train between these two locations will carry thousands of people a day willing to pay outrageous sums for the ride. (The miraculous thing about all surveys is the payer tends to get in writing what they want. Survey takers understand this and produce results accordingly.) Now we hear the verbal guilt trip that the poor, old, infirm, etc. have to have this train.
    What is needed is an intelligently run, FLEXIBLE, public transportation system. This is accomplished with buses of different sizes (small inner-city, medium/large suburban, distance friendly such as the “X100” bus from here to Tampa/Clearwater etc.), properly fueled (propane, hybrid, small electric, diesel-electric) running schedules designed to meet the needs of the ridership. Buses are cost effective, they allow routes to be changes and bus sizes to be adjusted as the demands of service require. They are not, however, exciting.
    But the train, ah, now that’s designed to melt the heart of politicians everywhere. Never mind the horrid cost, imagine the joys of dozens of grade crossings along the train route, ignore the land that must be lost to create something that, once in place, defines permanent. Try adjusting a train’s route when the ridership demands along that rail path drops to nothing.
    And the cost…….no matter how many government grants, federal handouts, tax increases, millage/property tax raises, fare hikes (and whatever other shakedowns may be created) a rail system will always by a suffocating yoke on the taxpayer.
    The politicians and the PSTA have cloaked themselves in arrogance. They WANT their train, they DEMAND their tax increase and the voter/taxpayer be damned. Something in the rarefied air of perceived political power is increasing the self-importance level of the PSTA.
    Recently we witnessed another group of elected officials who felt they were entitled to something Ask the elected lads and lassies in St. Petersburg about the Pier they demanded.

    1. Ron Thompson

      I would love to compare the details and projections in GreenLight to any alerrnative plan.

      PSTA currently has legislative authority for property milliage that they do not use. They have had this authority for many years. If every taxing authority, as you seem to claim, takes every penny of tax legally available to them, PSTA would have taxed us at their maximum limit, and not their budgeted and necessary level. Much of NTFT talking points are emotional scare stories. Reality, history, actuarial, and public statistics, rather than boogie-man scenarios, are a better place to start.

      A light rail down East Bay and 4th st is a commitment to developers. Why are these areas not bustling with new constuction, new jobs, higher property values, new sales tax revenue, and most importantly, new property tax revenue? Why would any developer tear down an ancient strip mall and build modern energy efficient hurrice proof residential towers? Where will the people park? How will they get to work? Run a bus? What if you stop the bus or move it to a diff routing?

      A developer, like the stock market, needs predictability, like only fixed light rail transit can provide. See washington, chicago, la, sf, and on and on for development near transit stations.

      And those elected lads & and lassies in StPete were all fired by the voters, just like the county commissioners that voted to remove flouride from the water. There is no “out of control government”. WE, the voters, ARE the government.

      1. Sun Beam Times Post author

        Reality: Charlotte built 30% of their proposed 5 lines and now need more money.

        Reality: greenlight would suck $100 milion a year minimum out of private economy, further hurting it.

        Reality: people don’t want a train, they wantg a car!

        1. Ron Thompson

          …people don’t want a train…

          Once again, in the NTFT world view, you are not a “person”, unless you own a car and can afford gas, ins, repairs, and have the legal ability to drive it (age, vision, infirmity, mistakes). Cant drive a car? You’re not a “person”.

          Don’t want to drive a car (environmental, productivity, common sense, modern world view, value time over space). You’re not a “person”. You don’t value 1950’s suburban utopia.

          Every “person” wants a house, a lawn, a patio, and 2-3 cars living on a cul-de-sac a mile or more from any highway. Well, at least every “person” in the NTFT world.

          “People” live in ranch houses with expansive mowable green lawns and they drive to work and drive to the doctor and dentist and drive to college and drive their 2.1 children to dance and soccer.

          These “people” all oppose greenlight. They call it a boondoggle, theft, evil big government, then tell each other how right they all are and how wrong those “not people” are. They point to their own successful “push poll” that provided the desired results but ignore a well worded poll that shows voters (yes, people) feel the opposite.

          And if you are not in this NTFT choir? You aren’t “people”. “People” dont ride buses, “people” drive cars. You’re just a crazy utopian big government liberal that won’t listen when “people” (NTFT) explain how reality works in pinellas county.

          NTFT reality. The one that “people” understand.

          1. Sun Beam Times Post author

            Ron, if so many people like public transportation, then why do only 1.6% of Pinellas Residents use it?
            ALL people prefer to be independent and upwardly mobile from the ranks of poverty to the middle class and beyond. Don’t make them be confined to the public transit system of waiting for busses and trains that never come in the rain.

      2. Norm Roche

        I appreciate and respect your position and passion on this Mr. Thompson. But I must tell you that as a member of the BOCC and former member of PSTA, I can tell you with certainty that the hyperbole and rhetoric is not coming from the NTFT folks. Much of what you’re hearing and reading from the pro-rail folks is patently false. And I’ll defer to the public record for proof.

        And just to be clear, the BOCC never voted to “remove” fluoride from our water. Fluoride is, has, and always be in our water. What the BOCC did was suspend the process that started in 2004 of “adding” extra fluoride into our water. And it was not some TEA party issue nor a fixation on some old cult movie. It was simply because the benefits no longer outweighed the risks, and some 93% of the water being treated was and is going straight down the drain. We started the discussion on how we could better and more effectively utilize our resources to help those most in need. Unfortunately, editorial ideology and campaign consultants high-jacked what should have been an adult conversation about an issue being discussed and debated all around the county and the world. Again, I’ll defer to the public record to validate my statements.

        However, its yesterday’s news now, and most people are more concerned with keeping thier heads above water, not necessarily what’s in it.

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